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Yehuda Mishenichnas's avatar

Kelemen's ideas suffer greatly because there's no marketplace of ideas for his views to be subjected to scrutiny and thus refined against his will.

Sometimes, we really do need to agree to disagree, but often, that's just a nice thing to say. Kelemen offers ideas but he's not interested in arguing from first principles. He's a presuppositionslist who fails to justify even his initial claims and is here trying to posit 3rd or 4th generation claims on a house of cards built on sand.

But if you try to argue with kiruv rabbis, you'll find that they either complain about your tone or walk away quietly and set up shop elsewhere, disregarding critiques as coming from outside the מחנה and so undeserving of substantive response (in other words, they do not permit questions about their presuppositionalist perspectives).

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Ash's avatar

"Chazal claim a comprehensive oral tradition which contained a complex legal system which survived fairly well for ever a millennium".

No they don't. Maybe yeshivish hashkafs does. Chazal claim there were principles that could be applied within reason by the judges, plus traditions on thenmeanings of various obscure words such as totafot, sukkah and pri etz hadar. Neither of these claims are particularly farfetched.

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