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In the frum community we are not really into "proofs". And I never heard of this proof or most "proofs" except from kiruv material. But now that you brought it up, it does seem quite compelling in the context of everything else in the Torah. On its own, its certainly not an ironclad proof, and even with open miracles, one can come up with naturalistic explanations like you did here. But it's not what we would a priori expect from a fantasy religion that's at the very least (even according to academics) over 2500 years old. It's not a "proof" on its own, but it's definitely a חיזוק for our אמונה.

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Why are you only focusing on grand prophecies involving the whole nation.

What about the punishment of "Kares" (some form of early death and occasionally the death of the perpetrator's young children) that is supposed to happen to any individual committing even one of numerous sins enumerated repeatedly in the Bible.

Yet these sins were repeatedly violated throughout history by many individuals.

For instance, during the First Temple period, idolatry was widespread, the observance of Pesach was neglected as mentioned in the Tanach, and Jeremiah chastised Israel for desecrating the Shabbat, all of which are punishable by Kares. In Ezra's time, people also disregarded the Shabbat and likely committed other transgressions such as consuming forbidden fats. In the sixteenth and seventeenth centuries, thousands in Western Europe converted to Christianity, and a century later, many thousands in Eastern Europe were not religious, with a significant number being intentional sinners, not merely 'shogeg' (unintentional).

This raises the question: Shouldn't we have seen many people dying young, along with their children, as a consequence? Yet, has this occurred?

I am aware that the Ramban in Parshas Achrei offers some apologetics on this topic, but it is not the straightforward meaning of the verses, and it is only because he saw that Kares was not being administered that he innovated a new understanding of Kares.

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